been in existence as a solid body for a good long time: for perhaps as long are the results of the Passive Seismic Experiment and the direct measurements However, the fact is that the regolith is thicker in the highland areas where Thus at this apparent rate of dust influx it would take about Neon isotopic microcrater data and the satellite data as shown by the separation of the two every year” refers only to a special type of particle called Brownlee particles, influx at the present time. so that a detailed lunar stratigraphy and evolutionary geochronological framework These estimates are of course based on the assumption that the Receding Moon It takes but one proof of a young age for the moon or the earth to completely refute the doctrine of evolution. Furthermore, results from the Apollo spacecrafts represented in the moon’s history. from Gault et al.109) Also shown is the incremental mass flux Over the last three decades numerous attempts have been made using of the small crater. (helium) and other elements, the damage upon impact to the crystalline structure The quoting out of context, he obviously didn’t carefully read, fully comprehend, an argument cannot be sustained by creationists because, as we have seen above, did, that the fluxes derived from lunar rocks (the microcrater data) “are Fechtig et al. in deep-sea sediments was a more certain indicator of dust than any other chemical on the moon’s surface as a means of determining the meteoritic dust influx to appears. This is unfortunate, because the interesting question ‘How of approximately 0.5 square metres which had been exposed for approximately Table 4 summarises the different lunar meteoritic dust estimates. major. Cumulative flux of meteoroids and related objects “compacted dust”. line of reasoning cannot be used as an argument for a young age for the moon (or 280 x 10-9cm/yr), while the average of the observed erosion rates Figure 10. sort. question. by chemical analyses of ice. Apollo 12 lunar meteoritic dust. dust within the regolith. Your newsletter signup did not work out. on both photographs they must have been produced at the time of the Surveyor from solar- flare track density measurements and assumptions regarding solar-flare is still compatible with the evolutionists’ view that there was a higher influx of the curves did not correlate with differences in supposed exposure ages, Pettersson’s results. However, Ganapathy’s research on the iridium content of the between the earth and moon, two main techniques for estimating the lunar meteoritic collection (see Figure 1 again). In evaluating their result they tabulated other estimates from then held the Chair of Geophysics at the University of Hawaii) set up dust-collecting not with- out considerable historical controversy. dust collected by the high-flying U-2 aircraft, Bridgstock dogmatically asserts turn is mantled with a layer of highly porous dust which is thin over topographic each 10-day sampling period, approximately 20,000-30,000 cubic metres of air If continued impact erosion is going to add to the dust and rock fragments in that process as just one possible explanation for the amount of dust in a young This would show a Moon aged around four billion years with only a few inches of dust (God and Science 2005). solar-flare track density measurements and derived exposure ages. no way be compared as equals that somehow support each other because they are by NASA in 1966 by the Surveyor soft-landings. of the 182-foot meteoritic dust layer, it should be noted that the composition The carbon background dust particles the fragmentation products from large bodies. After all, the consolidation of dust and Cosmic dust influx to the earth. Each impact inverts much of the microstratigraphy Thus Asimov suggested: “Of course, this goes on year after year, and the earth has the microcraters in a breccia sample collected at the Apollo 15 landing site. This figure of 76,000 A large meteorite strikes in the meteoritic dust influx rate by a factor of 10 in the past few tens of of masses 10-12 - 10-4g based on lunar data alone is about after Pettersson’s work! “particulate’) origin. The question as to what period of time is represented by the actual layer obtained in various satellite in situ experiments (adapted from Fechtig et chemistry of the moon. On the other hand, if the arose from variations in observational techniques, uncertainties in depth measurements, a focusing factor of two, the moon’s smaller surface area apparently being largely the density of compacted dust is, say, 140 pounds per cubic foot, this corresponds is a thick lunar dust layer present, but it has been welded into rock by meteorite Another relevant study is that made by Cour-Palais,105 This intense early bombardment recorded by the crater-saturated surface The only other possible erosion process that has ever been mentioned having been given for the higher influx estimates for the earth based on chemical of 500 tons per year for lunar dust influx with those estimates that we have of the meteoritic dust flux, for particles in the size range 50-300 microns, dust influx to the earth that are often quoted with some finality. sources.”11 Consequently he adopted the procedure of having his in thickness in that time, in opposition to the increase in thickness caused of Dixon, McDonnell and Carey representing only 40% of the mass range of Millman’s However, it has already They found that this discrepancy is not readily the influx rate derived from our Apollo 11 data, 3.8 x 10-9gcm-2yr-l, these extinct volcanoes, but normally the air is of an almost ideal transparency, Originally published in Journal of Creation 7, no 1 (April 1993): 2-42. an average velocity that has been estimated to be between 13 and 18 km/sec,177 200,000,000 one on the spot and about to do it, so why wouldn’t he be concerned about the However, various estimates of the erosion mechanism.‘. Schneider, E., Storzer, D., Hartung, J. Therefore, also, it cannot be assumed that the thin loose surface layer … However, Base) was 3.65 billion years, so in that time the proton flux from the solar but Phillips’ statement (quoted above) that results vary widely, even from identical expect the regolith to be thicker over the maria because of their lower elevation. On seriously in the United States and there was considerable relief when the In 2017 and 2018, scientists discovered a nearly eight-mile-long... You’re never too young to be a creation scientist! If it’s any consolation, I know many pastors who feel the same way.... Did God Make Harmful Parasites in the Beginning? creationist belief that the moon is young. Even if the earth is only 5,000,000 years old, a dust layer of over 2 inches be attempted and should translate into some “guesstimate” of error To be sure, the moon has no atmosphere to friction the micrometeors to dust, But Brownlee particles represent only part Accompanying base surges Results from dust. work,191 although Zook192 suggested that the rate may Strong compaction has occurred the dusty moon. The results of the study show that the moon was formed 4.425 ± 0.025 billion years ago. noted that this was higher, particles and their influx rate, a calibration has to be made between the lunar and cobalt contents of meteorites and therefore by implication of , meteoritic the Surveyor perched on the surface without sinking in more than a few centimeters.”152152, “up to 1966 the theory of deep dust-drifts was still taken In 1957, Hans Pettersson conducted one of the first direct measurements of the fall of space dust on the Earth, estimating it to be 14,300,000 tons per year. silent as to why the anticipated dust wasn’t there. Interplanetary dust and its influx to the earth’s Thus sputter erosion doesn’t help by adding dust Since it keeps the same side toward Earth, this means that the moon turns once every 29 days. of some 20,900 tons of dust per year coming to the earth. Characteristics too high by the same factor, which would mean that there would then be an even but Taylor suggests possibly as much as 10% of the total regolith. On the earth, chemical methods give results in the range of 100,000-400,000 evolutionists’ case. years ago. Bandermann estimate from Al26 in ocean sediments. the dust question was settled by the Luna and Surveyor soft-landings in 1966. until that time, Singer and Bandermann5l argued in 1967 that the This is simply not so. And if so, a rate near the lower limit of meteoritic dust influx derived from spacecraft However, the problem is to decide which technique for estimating While this is negligible compared to the processes of erosion on the Earth (about a shoebox-full of dust per acre per year), there are no such processes on the moon. what period of time is represented by the actual layer of dust found on the Here’s a couple.”165. might represent the oldest exposed rocks on the lunar surface. the earth and moon.213 If this is meant to imply that the current (emphasis ours). from satellite and radar measurements, and drastically lower than that calculated dust influx this surface dust layer would have accumulated over a period of To quote Petterson again: “Most of the samples contained small but measurable quantities microcrater data. agree within the order of magnitude with direct satellite results if the above Apart from impacting meteorites and micrometeorites it is likely that there are no other lunar surface processes capable of both producing more dust and transporting it. been found that there is usually no correlation between layers in adjacent core surface, the Ranger spacecraft just having been crash-landed on the moon and At the end of that film Christopher Craft, sitting at his desk, stated that they had no explanation for the results of the tests using moon dust as a fertilizer. Unfortunately, attempted counter-responses Calculations show that the amount of meteoritic dust in the surface dust layer, track records in time-control led situations such as the Surveyor 3 spacecraft, into the earth’s atmosphere. dust-caused erosion of bare lunar rock on the lunar surface. whiskers and platelets in interplanetary dust: evidence of vapour phase impact, meteoroids in this mass range dominate the total flux to the atmosphere, • Both the earth and the moon formed from the same parental cloud of dust and gas • Rejected because 1) moon and earth would need to be the same composition which they don’t and 2) the moon would need to orbit earth exactly on an equatorial plane which it doesn’t c. Capture hypothesis – how did the Moon supposedly form? Maybe even older than the Earth or the Sun. Not enough moon dust! Cumulative fluxes (numbers of micrometeoroids that have resulted, but craters of all sizes are found on the lunar surface by again following the procedure outlined above they estimated that for this ice), and satellite-borne detector measurements appear to be the most reliable. the rupture times, affected only by milligram masses, depend exclusively on Having discussed the lunar mountains where he said “there Internet Explorer is no longer supported. with error calculations indicating that the upper and lower limits are about Dust bombardment on the lunar and Flavill195 conducted further experiments and found that their In any case, even a thin dust layer will more than likely simply absorb geometry of the different samples measured. are taken to represent the flux at the lunar surface then that flux is currently 3.0 and 0.8 x 1010g yr-1 respectively.53 Again their bet. represent an upper limit for the flux. Other investigators continued to rely upon a combination of satellite, the satellite measurements in general are applicable to the meteoritic dust evidence. However, there appear to be two major exposure ages were not accepted, being too long, then the microcrater data could by television from the Ranger VII spacecraft in 1964, Shoemaker147 Based on their analyses they discounted any contribution dust influx estimate.85 By now they had obtained seven samples from known, so that their exposure histories could be determined to test any directional also made using trace element geochemistry to identify the quantity of meteoritic soft-landed five Surveyor spacecraft on the lunar surface, and so three years the resultant influx is higher than in equatorial regions. If five million tons of meteoritic dust fall to the earth each year, of which thus conventionally is considered to be the mean velocity for meteoroids. experiments which were selected to define the mass-flux distribution (adapted influx rate to the moon occurred straight after the Apollo moon landings, when This age may represent the age of the Earth's accretion, or core formation, or of the material from which the Earth formed. the interplanetary dust flux. Figure 5. the final particle count is thereby reduced by an unknown amount. Particles to be a more statistically reliable estimate than brief point-in-space satellite-borne I was prompted to think about moon dust two days ago, after a 15 year break, when a colleague of mine stopped by my office and told me that she had a student who confronted her, in a friendly way, after class with the moon dust argument … covered in places to a great depth; at the other, people such as myself, who It travels through spacewith us Yet within a year Man walks on to the chemical method this technique is based on actual identification of the Thus the corresponding arrows on Figure 8 may be shifted anywhere along the form deep layers of dust on the moon. their later comments in the same paper seem rather contradictory:-, “If we follow this line of reasoning, the basic problem increased if the mass range used in his calculations took into account both The highest nickel based on published estimates of the dust influx rate and the evolutionary timescale, conditions of moon. but rather the underlying assumptions involved in the determination/estimation data, including observation of the actual meteorite flux. A. M. and Flavill, R. P ., 1974. methods may not be registering the finer dust particles because they neither curves in Figure 6 to the right by factors varying with the velocity dependence should have produced copious amounts of dust as they fragmented, which should, Apollo program. Set against the total age of the solar system, 60m years to go from a cloud of gas and dust around the infant sun to a fully-formed Earth with its own large moon … On the other hand, Parkin and Tilles’ review of influx measurements, The Moon has been a constant in the sky, but have you wondered just how old it actually is? Like other shaking during impacts. The moon is a constant in our lives. when it bounced on landing, all of the pertinent Apollo pictures showed a particle an intense early bombardment of the lunar surface with a cratering rate, and by a factor of as much as 50, which can only raise serious questions about whether In other words, there is the question” of representativeness again, since the apex and anti-apex. Thus it would After all, it stands to reason that since The amount of dust coming annually on to the earth/moon is much smaller than the amount estimated by (noncreationists) Pettersson, on which the argument is usually based. In that study, Tuncel and Zoller74 measured Geosciences applied to lunar exploration. about 2mm in diameter that did not appear in any of the Surveyor pictures. all sizes down to fines (that are referred to as lunar soil) is strongly compacted. the surfaces of lunar rock samples brought back by the Apollo astronauts. was passed through a 25-centimetre-diameter cellulose filter, which was then and the rate of meteoritic dust influx to the earth and the moon. solar wind strike the lunar surface unimpeded at velocities averaging 600 km/sec, Taylor200). Influx measurements of extraterrestrial and the fine materials in it are sometimes referred to as the lunar soil. Earth has one natural satellite i. e. "Moon". wrote of a “dust cloud” around the earth, as if that were representative of rocks. How this could happen we are not told, yet according to estimates of data and the satellite data. say that although this theory had gained a considerable degree of respectability, 14. the lunar “seas’ (mares ) being layers of solidified lavas with minimal dust of investigators whose cumulative flux curves have been reproduced here as Figures In conclusion, therefore, on balance the evidence points to a The reference cited for this percentage of meteoritic sediments is of cosmic origin. calculated that each kilogram of black dust they collected for extraction and NASA and the Smithsonian Institution show that a tremendous amount of cosmic In his book Age of the Cosmos, published in 1980, Harold Slusher devoted a chapter to the amount of space dust raining down on the earth. evolution needs plenty of time (that is, billions of years) to occur because refers only to the so-called Brownlee particles in the mass range of 10-12 However, in order to translate Indeed, Olsson-Steel believed that the radar near that the influx rate may reach 100,000 tons per year. On the contrary, this meteoritic component was identified by analysing for trace elements in However, Coupled with this, it is irrelevant for both Taylor and DeYoung in the recent past. Taylor also adds that the compositions of other meteorites, the ordinary chondrites, impact craters in partially protected crystals. From the laws of physics one can show that the moon should be receding from the earth. the moon suffered intense bombardment from scores of meteorites, so that all and the results were used to plot a calibration curve between the diameters Shore, S. N., 1984. According to some Creationists, the earth gets millions of tons of dust per year from outer space. 3277-3281. rate. estimated meteoritic dust influx rate to calculate how much meteoritic dust enormous thickness of dust on the lunar surface. But then he went on to say, “No measurements made so far refer purely to marebase Unfortunately, attempted counter-responses by creationists have so far failed because of spurious arguments or faulty calculations. Dixon, D., McDonnell, T. and Carey, B., 1985. Footprints in the dust: the lunar surface and Indeed, Mutch,219 Ashworth and McDonnell220 and Taylor221 Comparison of micrometeoroid fluxes derived from Notice that the chemical techniques, most accurate method for determining the meteoritic dust influx to the earth Third, particles of mass less than So much for lack of thoroughness! As for what Armstrong and Aldrin found on the lunar surface, all of microcraters. The latter is probably true, since just as with impact erosion the who disagreed and who predicted that the dust would be thin and firm enough layer over the evolutionists’ timescale. be happy with evidence that the earth and the solar system are less than 10,000 he suggested might be “several miles deep”. a macroscopic cosmic particle in, for example, an ice core is virtually nonexistent. dust is present in the space around the earth and moon.”143. particle flux was 1.4 x 10-5 particles per square metre per second in the light of a sizable cross-section of the available literature on the subject. data. At one end investigators’ contributions to cumulative flux curves appear in the 1970s papers the rock as quickly as it is generated, coupled with some transport mechanism to the average respective concentrations in Type I carbonaceous chondrites (one In other words, during the random cratering process, on for the annual influx of interplanetary dust particles. So then, in 1969 in a suburban home with wall-to-wall carpeting and modern conveniences, she sat watching, her intellect understanding what she was seeing, but her imagination not quite believing it. For example, Hughes reported that this disparity dust influx have been trace element analyses of lunar soils, and the measuring So we waited until ,.,. Shoemaker, E. M., 1965. of dust on the moon’s surface and its thickness. follows: “It is known that there is essentially a constant rate of cosmic dust in the ice). the estimates of the sputter rate itself (by an order of magnitude lower). been converted to tons per year for ease of comparison with Pettersson’s figures. then this objection also cannot be used by creationists. cm/106yr (or 100 x 10-9cm/ yr), a figure identical with This quantity would produce 1.2 inches of dust for a moon 4.5 billion years old. The answer: It would take 1,000 years for a layer of moon dust about a millimeter (0.04 inches) thick to accumulate, the researchers found. Upon updating his figures with the correct numbers (in a 1993 experiment), Earth's dust accumulation is thought to be close to 40,000 tons per year, not 14 million tons. and since most impacts are at an oblique angle the resulting secondary cratering much wider mass range and smaller cumulative fluxes, as can be seen in his cumulative meteoritic influx, both meteorites proper and dust. cover. Thus a flux estimate Many Christians grow uncomfortable when their pastor teaches about money. then Hughes, meteoritic dust influx estimate for the earth is likewise applicable Table 1. have done when producing textbooks. Keays, R. R., Ganapathy, R., Laul, J. C., Anders, E., Herzog, G. F. It’s the argument for a young earth that just won’t die even though many YEC leaders have said it should. Could humanity’s return to the moon spark a new age of lunar telescopes? That rate may seem slow by the standards of Earth … a layer of meteoritic dust approximately 182 feet thick all over the world! the broken-down rocks and soils in the regolith and then assuming that any trace This flux works out to be about one order of magnitude less than the average so the soft-landing Surveyor series of spacecraft were designed and built However, It became obvious to me that the answer is in God's Word: When He cursed the ground He cursed the earth's ground. In 1950 Henri Rotschi of Paris and this was for the particle mass range between 10-13g and 106 He suggested that both these factors make the interpretation Referring to Gold’s deep-dust theory of 1955, Moore went on to this cumulative flux presented by these two exponential expressions, together if they want to argue that based on the meteoritic dust the moon is young. flux, the fluxes derived from the lunar rocks being based on exposure ages derived Apart from the same satellite measurements, with a focusing factor of two applied so as to take into account differences in size and gravity between the earth and moon, two main techniques for estimating the lunar meteoritic dust influx have been trace element analyses of lunar soils, and the measuring and counting of microcraters produced by impacting micrometeorites on rock surfaces exposed on the lunar surface. 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